April 30 - May 13, 2008
In this edition of Mailbag, readers give feedback on Unclassic Movies feature, along with our picks for the Worst Dating Shows Ever and best Cinematic Drunks ...
Editor's note: We asked you to send in your thoughts about "classic" movies that deserved to be stripped of their classic status. Here are the results:
Most-seconded nomination: "Love Story" (though few considered it a classic to begin with)
Most defended: "Gone With the Wind," "The Ten Commandments"
Most popular additional nominations: "Citizen Kane," "Scarface" (1983), "The Godfather," "Titanic," "Some Like It Hot," "The Birds," "Vertigo"
From Erik Runner, Kingston, N.Y.:
He was looking at earlier times, from a current perspective. A person can
look back and do that with just about any movie, most songs and anything else.
And it is a very shallow look. Those classics were great movies in their time
and [were] enjoyed by many. Now the revisionists move in and tell everyone that
they weren't and don't deserve the praise -- just like they do to much of
history. Too many people just have to have something to criticize. From David Klein, East Lansing, Mich.:
From Doc Martian:
Yet, all these films were relevant in their time and exemplary of the
paradigm of motion-picture making in the period that they were made. Would I
recommend "Gone With the Wind" for someone not interested in early talkies or
cultural touchstones of the first half of the 20th century? Probably not. That
doesn't make it less of a classic, though. Nor do "Easy Rider" or "The Seven Year Itch" fit well with modern mores,
but they defined the image of two generations. My advice to you, Mr. Fear, is to
sit down with a box of popcorn and a Coke and watch Billy Wilder's "Kiss Me, Stupid!." While you watch it, try and let
your mind wander past the image of Dean Martin as a sex symbol of the time, try not
to think of how the prostitute/waitress isn't stripping, in-between waiting
tables and turning tricks, and watch Ray Walston perform a great jealous husband
without once strapping on a bandanna, sheathing a knife or getting all emo. From Linda Shriner:
From Gregg Pearson:
From Mike Yashus, Daytona Beach, Fla.:
From Jason Webber, Toledo, Ohio:
But I have to say that the notoriously grouchy film critic Pauline Kael was
right when she pooh-poohed "Star Wars" upon its initial 1977 release. The
characters are one-dimensional, the acting mostly atrocious (I know I'm not the
only one who laughs when Mark Hamill exclaims, "Uncle Owen! Aunt Beru! Gone?!"), and
though nerds everywhere -- myself included -- can quote every line in the movie,
take a good listen sometime at Lucas's embarrassing dialogue. The Force may be
with us, always, but does "Star Wars" always have to maintain a constant
presence on the Classic Movie Roster? "ARRRGGGHH!" Boy, you said it, Chewie. From Dave Cooper, Baltimore:
From Alex Asta:
From Susan Lowitz:
As for "Guess Who's Coming to Dinner," everyone knew that Southern
rednecks were prejudiced. What we didn't necessarily know was that dinner-table
liberals in New York and Chicago were hypocrites. That's what the movie was
about, even with the feel-good edge. ... There were a lot of good people
who were behind black people not riding at the back of the bus, but they
wouldn't have their daughter marry one, even an exaggeratedly irreproachable
Sidney Poitier.
You hit the nail on the head when you said "cliché" in connection with "Easy
Rider," but where do you think the cliches came from? Remember, the people who
made movies in 1968-69 were rich people; the hippie movement was conceptually
poor people. Poverty was a virtue, and people who believed in a simple life had
no access to filmmaking. Nor were they necessarily interested in memorializing
their stories for later generations; how do you do that and live in the moment?
I don't know what movies are being peddled to those younger than 40 as
"classics," but I would argue that most of the movies on your list were never
classics. "Gone With the Wind," maybe, but it is to the baby boomers what "Birth
of a Nation" was to our parents. Once again, I urge you to take these films in
the context of their times. Read the contemporary criticism. From Ron Stenger:
From Ralph Unroe:
From Jeff Zellnorm, Chicago:
3. "Apocalypse Now." Should have been "Apocalypse Never." Martin Sheen's opening scene where he is holding his gut was
shot after he saw the rest of the film. Miscast, overacted, way too long. Worst
performance of Brando's career. The use of Conrad's phrase "the horror"
becomes meaningless. 2. "Jaws." What a lousy way for Robert Shaw to end his film career in a cheesy death scene.
As to the music, I get more chills when they play the opening of "Hell's Bells"
at the 2-minute warning at Soldier Field. 1."E.T." There is not one redeeming quality to this waste of
celluloid. Aside from the obvious, that the character of E.T. was a thinly
veiled Hillary Clinton, it has contributed nothing of value and never will. From Kori Zwaagstra, Las Vegas:
From Philip Rose:
From Dave Thomas:
From Luke Douglas, Headland, Ala.:
A decade or
so ago, there was a news article about a teenager who stated that he didn't see
what the big deal was about Elvis -- that he had watched some of his performances on
film and didn't think he was so hot. And the newspapers picked this up, and it
got to be a bigger story than it deserved to be. The kid's parents were just so
proud of their son for speaking up -- like this was a real big thing. This kid
never saw Elvis, never lived during those times, and as such, could not put it
into the context or culture of those times. Elvis was long gone before this
young man was born.
While you
may want to downgrade certain older movies, some critic 45 years from now will
downgrade today's movies. These older films paved the way for all of the newer
films being made -- both by independents and big studios. Many of these older
films are still considered, both technically and artistically, far superior to
many of today's films.
Classics
sometimes are appraised by the impact they have on a medium. Who reads "Tristam
Shandy" today? Still, it remains a key work for understanding folks like Poe and
Joyce. There are many films that are dated. Even relatively modern films can
appear dated in a very short period of time. "Pulp Fiction" hasn't aged well, in spite of it being a
revolutionary piece of modern noir. "Dances With Wolves" has lost its cultural
relevance as well, and don't even get me started on "Kramer vs. Kramer."
"Citizen
Kane": Nothing about it is acceptable. The plot is stupid, the photography
painful, the acting below that of a 1950s commercial, and the music is an
abomination. I watched it once and was able to sit through it only as an act of
extreme self-discipline. Not only is it not one of the all-time bests (certainly
not the all-time best), it is little short of a total disgrace.
These
movies are considered to house the greatness of American cinema because of the
strides they made when they were released. It is not just about an intriguing
story, but the steps a movie takes in the development of future filmmaking. Your
comments and opinions are downright naïve. Each one has a place in our
culture.
This
article hits the nail right on the head. Just two nights ago, I was thinking of
classic movies, and "Gone With the Wind" was at the top of my list as the most
horrible "classic." The acting was extremely terrible. This movie would be tops
on my list for a modern remake. It has a great story line and would be a modern
hit if it was cast with a capable mix of actors and was carried by a top-notch
director/producer. A 21st-century touch-up to this movie would do wonders for
it.
"Star Wars": As a passenger on the caboose of Gen-X, I'm
supposed to smile nostalgically every time George Lucas' 1977 cowboys-'n'-Indians-in-space "classic"
comes on TNT -- a trip down Pop-Culture Memory Lane. "Star Wars" will
unquestionably be revered for all time for its place in blockbuster history, toy
merchandising, marketing and special effects.
"Citizen
Kane": Everything about this overrated piece of crap couldn't be more
self-consciously mannered: direction, acting, cinematography, script -- you pick
the facet. Give me a break! Like you said of "Easy Rider," it was (maybe) groundbreaking stuff in its day,
but it all just comes across as overstylized nonsense nowadays. Nothing natural
about the feel of this supposed Orson Welles opus magnum. Oh, listen ...
everyone's talking at the same time! Oh, look ... camera's looking up at the
ceiling! Wow, doesn't Welles really look like an 80-year-old under all that
clearly fake makeup? Yeah, so? ZZZZZZZZZZZ. Just one guy's opinion.
Are you
guys on dope? You're hyping the new Batman movie on the same page as the
"overrated classics." Do you people really believe that any movies today pass on
the importance of good values and human decency as many films of yesteryear do?
You folks need a good dose of some great film noir. Maybe that will lead to a
greater appreciation for good stories and wonderful acting in days when they had
no computers and special effects to dazzle moviegoers. One final thought:
Consider the test of time. Those bashed classics will outlive all of us, as they
have already outlived millions.
Please read
some of the contemporary criticism of these movies. You'll find that the critics
of the time agreed with you for the most part. "Love Story" was never beloved
except by the "unwashed masses." Similarly, "The Ten Commandments" was on a par
with "The Towering Inferno," no more well-regarded than one of
today's tentpole sequels.
So, let me
guess, you weren't even born when "Guess Who's Coming to Dinner?" was made. I
guess the old Bela Lugosi monster flicks aren't worth a crap to you either
because the special effects suck, huh? Bet you think the original "The Mummy" is a joke next to the '90s remake, too. If you don't place yourself in the era
that the film was made, you lose all feel for it.
Your
ability to rate motion pictures is as notable as a pig taking a holiday.
I would go
to the more moderns for supposed classics that need a major rethink.
When you
attacked "Gone With the Wind," you went too far. The film should not only be
celebrated for the fact it made strides technically, but because it is a
testament to "Old Hollywood." "Gone With the Wind" is my favorite movie off all
time and I do pop the DVD in for a journey back to the old South. I think
Scarlett was both weak and strong and has served as a template for all heroines.
Is Scarlett really that different from Carrie on "Sex and the
City"? They both swoon over men they can't have and make misery for those
they can.
You don't
just downgrade classics because they don't fit into pop culture or the current
cultural mood or fashion. Next you'll be saying the bible is out of style and
that the classic artists are all passé. Steering a new generation from seeing
films with meaning, actual acting (in lieu of just a bunch of CGI, action
sequences, explicit sex, drugs, abuse, crime and filthy language) is doing a
huge disservice to all generations who have not had the privilege to appreciate
classics. I would suggest that you tell your audience what you consider to be a
classic.
"I believe
that the trade of critic, in literature, music, and the drama, is the most
degraded of all trades, and that it has no real value -- certainly no large
value. ... However, let it go. It is the will of God that we must have
critics, and missionaries, and congressmen, and humorists, and we must bear the
burden."
--
Mark Twain's autobiography
Movies are
very subjective. They speak to each of us personally in different ways. Each of
us has our own classic movies. Now grab another bag of popcorn and go enjoy a
movie without dissecting it like a frog!
















